A Nurse with a Gun

Friday, October 20, 2006

Idiots With Guns #54

Caryn thought Maria was an idiot for buying two Hi Points instead of a Glock. She was wrong. It ain't the equipment, it's the person using it that makes the difference.
The purpose of Idiots with Guns is not to humiliate, but to educate. Over the years we have seen photos of people who, upon picking up a gun, just cannot resist pointing it at something they should not, with their finger on the trigger. This is usually the camera, another person, or themselves. These photos are often difficult to google up, because of the pages they are shown on. If you have archived any of these photos, feel free to send them in to bayouroversATjamDOTrrDOTcom

The Four Rules
1. All firearms are always loaded
2. Never let the muzzle of a firearm point at anything you are not willing to destroy
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it



Blogger Porta's Cat said...

those hi-points are some big ugly guns.

8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both Hi-points have yellow hi-viz safety plugs sticking out of the chambers. Yyou can't chamber a round with them :)

I like Idiots with guns series for its educatioal value, but you are somewaht to touchy, posting pictues of obviously secured weapons in situations that aren't outragous(Hi-point picture, poor finger trigger discipline but this doesn't make idiot from anyone unless other variables are add to equation) is counterproductive...

Anyway Keep it going :)

8:50 AM  
Anonymous Monica Ricci said...

Anonymous, I see your point BUT the rules are there and redundannt for a reason. The reason is for we easily distractable human beings to develop good, CONSISTENT safety habits, so that you are NEVER at risk and there is no thinking involved.

If you excuse a person with their finger on the trigger just because the gun is secured, that means you should be okay with them pointing a gun at you, provided it's "unloaded" too. The whole point is to establish a habit of consistency so no matter what condition the gun is in, or what the circumstance, nobody dies. So I'm cutting Xavier some slack on this one and will indeed agree that if your finger is on the trigger and you're not shooting, you're an idiot with a gun. :)

10:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Difference with this kind of idiots and not-idiots with guns is that one admits to that and others don't or weren't caught on camera :) Developing proper trigger finger discipline demands time, its simply unnatural, and its hardest of rules to follow. MY point is its not fair to post obvious begginer: entry level pistols, with producer safety plugs still in weapon on the interent with her face visible and "Idiot" brand name above. This demands some gradation at least in kind of punishment :).

Here is an article about trigger discipline for folks interested:

This time signed:

2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read what was typed.

Caryn thought Maria was an idiot for buying two Hi Points instead of a Glock. She was wrong. It ain't the equipment, it's the person using it that makes the difference.


3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cinchknot... At the beggining I was suspecting Xavier points his finger only at Caryn, but after some carefull forensic of the pics and xavier story I've got to conclussion both women are considered guilty :)... And the moral is: Good gun doesn't protect you from being idiot... of course Xavier have last word on that :)


4:23 PM  
Blogger Xavier said...

Monica & Gents.....
I was struck by the similarities of these two pics. Both showed people with fingers on triggers posing for pictures and not looking where the gun is pointed.

I don't have the last word. IWG is meant to stimulate discussion & thought, not to be the last word. I was aware of the chamber plugs in Maria's pistols, but the question of "when is it safe" and "when do the four rules not apply" are intriging. Should the trigger finger always be extended unless shooting? I believe so, but others may disagree and be no less correct. safety is not in the gun, nor is it in a trigger finger. It is in one's mind. I do, however watch trigger fingers closely, all the time. At gun stores, at gun shows, at the range and anywhere else there may be guns handled. I am a firm believer that if trigger fingers are trained, negligent discharges will be decreased dramatically. It is much easier to train a finger than a mind. Discussion trains the mind.

If one newbie learns to pick up a gun without fingering the trigger as a result of IWG, then perhaps it has been worth it, and a tragedy may have been averted.

9:36 PM  
Anonymous AdrianK said...

I was looking back through the Idiots with Guns posts the other day, and one of the channels on Dish had a newer Star Trek movie on.

What surprised me was that several of the actors were exercising proper trigger discipline while carrying what are obviously plastic props.

Not the kind of thing I generally expect to see in Hollywood movies.

11:05 AM  

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