A Nurse with a Gun

Wednesday, February 28, 2007

Misidentified Intruder Results In Grandson Shot

EAST PENNSBORO TOWNSHIP, Pa. -- A homeowner awakened early Tuesday morning by a burglar confronted the intruder and shot him, according to East Pennsboro Township police in Cumberland County. The homeowner learned later that the intruder was his 18-year-old grandson, a source told News 8.

Investigators said the shooting happened around 2:54 a.m. at a home along the first block of Victoria Way, Camp Hill, East Pennsboro Township. Police said the grandfather approached his grandson with a handgun and told him to leave. The grandson then fled into the attached garage. Police said the grandfather heard rustling and fired a single shot hitting his grandson in the hand or arm.

The grandson ran away and checked himself into Holy Spirit Hospital.

At this point, police said the shooting was justified. "(The homeowner) feared at that point, the burglar was hunkered down. He didn't know if he was taking a position to fire at the homeowner," said Lt. Mark Green.

The grandson has not yet been charged in the incident. News 8 was told that the grandfather is very upset. He did not wish to comment on the incident.


Rule Four. Go ahead. Click the link. Read it again. Identification of your target as well as identifying the target's intent is most important when you know you are shooting at a human. Getting a gun is not enough. Get training as well. Then shoot at threats, not noises. Gramps should buy a lottery ticket. He is a lucky man, in many ways.

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BY TOM BOWMAN AND FRANK COZZOLI
Of The Patriot-News
An East Pennsboro Twp. man early yesterday shot an intruder who turned out to be his 18-year-old grandson, township police said.

The intruder, whom police had not charged or named as of press time, broke into the home in the first block of Victoria Way and apparently was stealing liquor, police said. The homeowner had no idea who it was when he fired his gun, police Lt. Mark Green said. "The house was dark, and he didn't turn the lights on."

Green said Holy Spirit Hospital notified authorities about 30 minutes after the shooting that a man had checked in with a gunshot wound. The man was then taken to Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, and later was released into police custody. Police expect to file charges today, Green said.

"He's very upset," Green said about the grandfather. "You always want your family to be successful. You want the best for you kids -- and for your grandkids, you even want more."

The grandfather awoke in his second-floor bedroom to sounds coming from the living room area shortly before 3 a.m., Green said. He got his handgun, walked down the steps in the dark and saw light from a flashlight. He saw the intruder placing bottles of liquor in a bag and "told him to freeze. He told him he was under arrest. He was trying to get the guy to surrender," Green said.

The suspect did not say anything but ran into the garage and tried to hide, Green said. The homeowner, not knowing if the intruder was armed, fired one shot from a 9 mm pistol, hitting the intruder in the hand area, Green said. The suspect ran from the garage, leaving a trail of footprints and blood. The homeowner, who was not injured, did not pursue. Police followed the trail but lost it, Green said. Then hospital workers called to say they were treating a man with a gunshot wound.

"In a case like this, police are going to want to consult with us on whether the shooting was justified," Cumberland County District Attorney David Freed said. "It appears to be [justified], but the investigation is ongoing."

Reporter Irvin Kittrell III contributed to this article. TOM BOWMAN: 255-8271 or tbowman@patriot-news.com FRANK COZZOLI: 255-8454 or fcozzoli@patriot-news.com

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11 Comments:

Blogger Porta's Cat said...

I got a friend that almost shot his step son for climbing in a window at night.

One of those situations that , a few years later, you can almost get a pained grin out of them over it.

The kid, 18-19 at the time, forgot his key or something and didn't want to wake anyone up. Comes through an unlocked kitchen window, and the dad is waiting there with a .45 semi leveled at his head waiting to get a better shot. Ambient light was good in kitchen so no need to turn on the light. Kid makes a comment to himself about getting stuck or being too fat or whatever, and dad recognizes voice. The kid was pretty close to getting shot, and it would have been in the head from about 10 feet. Would have been, obviously, a hell of a tradgedy.

Not sure whose "fault" that would have been, if you rendered it down to that sort of scoring. But it is hard to tell a man he can't shoot an intruder, in the dark in his own home, without absolute identification.

After reading this, and remembering that, I am going to talk to my son tonight about that very thing.....

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya know, if I entered my grandfather's house at 2:45 am, and he came out of bed in his jammies with a gun pointed at me, I'd say something like "hey grandpa, it's me, don't shoot!" instead of running and hiding in the attached garage.

Anybody wanna take a bet that the kid was on drugs, and looking to get drug money from someone easy to rob? I happen to have first hand experience that the family is usually the first to get robbed/burglarized to pay for a drug habit. It's easier for them to justify. If they get away with it (family pretends it didn't happen, or forgive the youth with no punishment), it's easier for them to rob others.

8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Almost 3 a.m. Strange time to visit a grandpas, he didn't knock the door, ring the bell, or identified himself when grandpa approached him and started talking to him... I'm quite positive he didn't wanted to be identified.. Don't know details but It looks that grandpa avoided being robbed by his grandson... In this particular case, fact grandpa didn't know who he is shooting at may saved his life...

Herrmannek

9:51 AM  
Anonymous pdb said...

At the risk of turning this from a mindset/training issue into a gear issue ... that's why I like white lights on my home defense guns.

10:29 AM  
Blogger José Giganté said...

There have been some instances where a grandson or other relative is a threat. So I wouldn't make a claim that gramps is in the wrong here.

But he probably is.

3:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I appreciate your alluding to the 4 points. I did not realize they were links. Very worthwhile stuff!
Mahalo!

5:39 PM  
Blogger Rorschach said...

I gotta agree with Anon here. There is definitely more to this story than meets the eye. Gramps may not be quite as wrong as it would appear at first blush.

9:48 PM  
Anonymous Will said...

Massad Ayoob has some stories about people shooting at a perceved threat moving in a dark house, and it turns out they shot a kid or wife that they thought was still in bed, etc... Imagine trying to explain to your wife why you put a half dozen holes in her. And, wondering if she's going to return the favor some dark night.

Flashlights, people! And, weapon mounted lights on house guns. If you can't identify the threat, don't put holes in it. (Course, if they are shooting at YOU, lights may be optional.)

3:38 AM  
Blogger Xavier said...

Latest info: The grandson was in the home stealing liquor.

See the addition.......

4:40 AM  
Anonymous Glenn Bartley said...

I don't see the problem with this shooting. Gramps did not have to see a weapon to reasonably believe the bad guy (and yes his grandson was apparently a bad guy) was posing a threat to him. You don't wait for someone to draw and point it at you before you can draw and fire, otherwise you would likely be the loser in any gunfight. Yeah too bad it was his grandkid, too bad his grandkid was burglarizing grandpa's house. So what if he had identified him as his grandkid, does that mean he would not have shot, maybe, maybe not.Maybe had he ID'd the kid, the kid would have gotten the drop on him if he slacked off a bit, and grandpa would have been the one shot. Gramps did just fine.

All the best,
Glenn B

2:01 PM  
Anonymous Kilgor said...

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007703050350

"As the attack continued, people were yelling at the man to stop and honking their horns, Stuckey said. She said she called 911." A man with a gun stopped the attack showing that honking horns, yelling, and calling 911 don't do squat RIGHT NOW.

This doesn't really pertain to your blog post here, but I didn't know how to email you. I thought you might want to post this story to your blog.

12:11 AM  

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