A Nurse with a Gun

Friday, March 28, 2008

The Holstervault

It has become apparent that the shot fired over Charlotte, North Carolina, aboard US Airways Flight 1536 may have been from a faulty holster design and ignorant regulations that required pilots to put padlocks ........PADLOCKS through the holster and triggerguard of their sidearm prior to landing the damned plane!

I do not know what nincompoop came up with this idea, but it makes about as much sense to me as a screendoor on a submarine. Here's some advice TSA......If you are going to institute a new policy (guns in cockpits) concerning something you know nothing about (gun safety).......Take a look around you and see what has worked for years for other people. Do you see police officers using this holster and policy? Do you see soldiers using it? Shooting competitors? Do you see anyone using it? You do not need to reinvent the wheel guys. Just do what works for others. Your better idea.......Ain't!

Of course you might want to glue feathers all over your aircraft. After all, birds use less gas, so you can probably save a lot of money........I know! How about Llamas as stewardesses! Caterpillar tracks instead of landing gear! Now there's an idea!

Update:
"The design of the holsters that armed commercial pilots use to stow their weapons increases the likelihood of accidental discharge, the inspector general for the Department of Homeland Security has concluded.

The investigators recommended that the Transportation Security Administration discontinue the use of the locking holster and consider other ways for armed pilots known as Federal Flight Deck Officers to secure their weapons.

"We examined the holster and observed that its design renders the weapon vulnerable to accidental discharges if improperly handled," the Office of Inspector General said as part of a broader report that it submits to Congress twice a year."
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19 Comments:

Anonymous TxShooter said...

Xavier, that style holster has actually been out for a few years. Believe it was first made in 2000 by DeSantis, for a Secret Service contract. The hole supposed to accomodate a padlock or handcuffs.

8:11 AM  
Anonymous zane said...

Wait. So, putting something through the triggerguard of a weapon is considered a SAFETY precaution by a government agency? And then they wonder why we don't want to trust them with guns. Just....flabbergasting.

9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Probably an ATF recommended procedure written for the TSA by an outsourced to China underwriter taken prisoner in the Tibetan riots.

10:26 AM  
Blogger BobG said...

The problem is that people who make policy (and laws) usually have no experience whatsoever with the subject they are ruling over, and so they are pulling most of their ideas out of their asses.

12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

very off topic but you have to read this:

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080328_Subway_attack_was_to_amuse__police_say.html

love how it was "asthma" that caused death...

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a spin... It seems You own slight apologies to the Pilot you bashed so quick few posts ago :)... Its not the first time on this Blog things turn to be different than they seemed to be at the first look.

On this sort of security devices. Sometime overdoing is worse than not doing anything. Its like getting 10 locks on the door and then dying from the fire&smoke lying at the door with half locks still not open :)

herrmannek

2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

[quote]Caterpillar tracks instead of landing gear! Now there's an idea![/quote]
Don't want to get too far off topic, but this was actually tried on the B-36!

There are plenty of good retention holsters on the market - and the makers of every gun lock state "not for use on loaded firearms". Anything that requires holstering, unholstering, and generally fussing about with firearms in the cockpit (or elsewhere) rather than just leaving the thing in the holster invites opportunity for incidents.

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seriously, are you really trying to tell me that in your expert opinion, once you've put the gun in the holster WITHOUT INCIDENT, applying a padlock is then GOING TO CAUSE THE GUN TO GO OFF

5:13 PM  
Anonymous Will said...

I could kinda sorta see them mandating this insane padlock business, but why IN the holster? Afraid to scratch it? Terminal stupidity, as usual and expected, from the idiots in gov't. I guess they figure if they are going to be stupid, might as well go all out. No half-way measures will be tolerated!

5:22 PM  
Blogger kbarrett said...

Yes, anon ... putting anything into the trigger guard of a loaded pistol is a massive rule 3 violation.

The author of this policy is either an imbecile who needs to be fired, or someone who was hoping to get rid of armed pilots by forcing an eventual ND on the flight deck ... and needs to be fired.

5:26 PM  
Anonymous Will said...

nonnymouse 5:13, that's why all holsters now have covered triggerguard areas, to avoid loud noises when holstered. The shank is supposed to end up behind the trigger, but you can't SEE the parts when inside the holster. Obviously, the lock ended up on the wrong side, possibly due to the gun not being positioned correctly in the leather. Still, it is an accident GUARANTEED to happen, just a matter of when and where. Frankly, I'm surprised the gov't was able to persuade a holster company to make this abortion of a rig.

5:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if used properly, the "holstervault" allows the padlock to go behind the trigger. if used improperly, the padlock goes in front of the trigger, and the trigger is pushed back when the retention strap is snapped.

2:10 AM  
Anonymous perpster said...

Is there a terrorist rule I don't know about that says don't hijack a plane during takeoff or landing?? I want my pilots armed and READY to use that arm at ALL times.

This rule is the equivalent of the Heller vs DC rule. What good is a tool of self defense (and defense of passengers on a common carrier) if it is inaccessible. Who knows, after this AD/ND, maybe pilots will have to keep the gun disassembled and in the soon-to-be-installed mandatory gun safe in every cockpit.

Oh, and btw, if takeoff and landing are the most involved and stressful parts of a flight, why would that be the time to be doing gun locking? We all know multitasking while handling firearms is a big no-no.

6:51 AM  
Blogger Tam said...

Much like the gun itself, the holster/padlock combo is perfectly safe when used as designed. It does demonstrate, however, the inherent difficulties in making something idiot-proof.

7:32 AM  
Anonymous TJH said...

When used "properly", the Holstervault doesn't impart anything but imaginary safety, sort of like gun locks in general.

10:44 AM  
Anonymous bob@thenest said...

No matter how you cut it, I see the cause as operator error.

Poor holster design in my opinion, and he finally got sloppy enough to let the design flaw, if one wants to call it that, play a role.

He was the one handling it and responsible for proper seating into the holster prior to padlocking. He's done it before, so he knows the correct way. This time he blew it.

I also question his doing so during a critical phase of flight. If it were my rule to write it would be available for use from the moment he steps into the cockpit until the moment he leaves it.

I feel sorry for the guy. He, like many CCW holders, stuck his neck out and voluntarily assumed added responsibility. Then it turned around and bit him in the rear, as things sometimes happen to CCW holders.

Unfortunate. I'd fly and shoot with him, but it was his bullet to control.

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People assume pilots chose to carry pistols to protect the passengers. In reality, they are first protecting themself. If they have that right, then why don't the rest of us?

12:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Private Investigator and blogger exposed this holster in December. He is a friend to pilots and gun owners.

He appeared on TV in Charlott, NC (NBC)this week with the TSA issued gun, holster and booby-trap padlock.

Huebl duplicated the accident in a video on his website atwww.crimefilenews.com

3:02 PM  
Anonymous beth said...

This just goes to show nobody should have guns. If the gun goes off on a pilot, it will go off on anybody.

5:43 AM  

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