CCW Revocation
Sheriff Sandra Hutchens has begun the process of revoking hundreds of concealed weapon permits across Orange County California.
This is why "shall issue" legislation is so important.
Update from The Barrel of a Gun
"The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon the information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department's present intention is to revoke your CCW license."One hundred and forty six letters have been mailed to CCW holders in Orange County because the Sheriff thinks they do not have a compelling reason to carry a gun. There are currently 1,024 permit holders in Orange County.
This is why "shall issue" legislation is so important.
Update from The Barrel of a Gun
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posted by Xavier at 1:24 PM
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Is it just my imagination or does she look like Nancy Pelosi?
I do believe this falls under the "arbitrary and capricious" part of DC gun ban ruling. Anybody from the NRA filing federal lawsuits?
to Quote DC v Heller ruling:
"Respondent conceded at oral argument that he does not “have a problem with . . . licensing” and that the District’s
law is permissible so long as it is “not enforced in an arbitrary and capricious manner.”"
Xav,
Petty tyrant, she is. Ought to be tossed from office, but I suspect the misinformed sheep in SoCAL will not act.
JayG of MArooned can give you the specifics, but here in the P.R.of.MA, the Chiefs of Police have "may issue" discression. The net result of this discression is a patchwork of widely differing application of state firearms laws based largely on the whim of the Chief. [/aside]
Shortly after the Columbine shooting, the Chief of Police in one MA town revoked all MA-styled "ccw" licensees for her town. The good citizens of said town did the right thing. She was promptly voted out of office in the subsequent election cycle. I cannot speak as to whether those who had their licesnses "stolen" ever had their rights fully restored as I am ignorant of that fact.
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So, in other words they changed the parameters under which they issued CCLs. Doesn't that fall under (I think) ex post facto lawmaking? In other words, they passed a law and are making it retroactive?
1000 CCW permits in a county the size of Orange County is shockingly low but not surprising. The state has a republican Governor. What is his stand on CCW and gun ownership? Does he have one?
Calling Ca residents names or making fun of someone's appearance is juvenile and does not help. Republicans tend to do a lot of that and it means you will not be taken seriously.
"Most of them are not coming back with the information we need," said Nighswonger. "A lot of them are arguing the second amendment (to the U.S. Constitution)," he said.
Yes I'm sure a lot of them are. My guess is the NRA don't have a leg to stand on here in terms of lawsuits given the County standards for CCW and the very few people affected. They have their hands full with challenges to states and cities that violate Heller. Heller stills allows a whole lot latitude for restriction of gun ownership btw so while its a victory its far from a complete victory.
After the previous Sheriff got run out of town on a rail, the new one who was recruited from L.A. County (out of retirement) was installed by our Board of Supervisors (not by popular vote).
We see all this coming.
The L.A. Sheriff "Lee" Baca is a Bloomberg Republican who hates guns period and CCW even more.
So this most recent swirl of the toilet formerly known as southern California, now known as Tijuana del Norte, was no surprise.
The obstacles to CCW here are legion.
I'll mention a few:
1) Scads of people--both career criminal and erstwhile "unauthorized" CCWers abound;
2) huge numbers of brainwashed liberals live here;
3) huge numbers of people live here who, as a consequence of originating from outside the U.S., are enculturated in an anti-gun mentality which is also anti-gov't./anti-law-&-order;
4) decades of anti-Second Amendment Civics Courses, at both the high school and college level, have been taught here.
The result is that:
1) because there are a lot of Hispanics here who CCW without permission since they brought that habit and their contempt for gov't./law with them, they don't care about our laws any more than they cared about their mother country's laws;
2) there are innumerable fruits, nuts, and flakes landing here constantly and adding to the "liberal" lump, because that is what CA still represents in newcomers' minds, i.e., it represents the haven for the peace, love, and flower child mentality (which is no longer a reality);
3) there are a lot of people who, falling into neither category above, wager that it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6--so they simply do not raise a politico-legal ruckus (Who would listen or comprehend anyway?!) but instead just quietly exercise their natural right of peaceable self-defense without a "Mother may I?" permit from someone; and
4) there is NO WIDESPREAD, INGRAINED, CULTURAL KNOWLEDGE OR MEMORY OF THE ORIGIN AND MEANING OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT HERE--NONE!!!--ESPECIALLY NOT AMONGST CIVICS OR GOVERNMENT TEACHERS--OR ANY TEACHERS!!!
So, every day here in CA, the whole "societally shared" notion of "American culture" in general and Second Amendment culture in particular is diluted by California's foreigners and distorted by California's teachers AND its mass media message manufacturers.
Its gonna have to get a WHOLE LOT WORSE here before it gets better, I'm afraid.
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You can read her B.S. "statement" here if you want:
http://blog.ocsd.org/post/2008/10/10/Sheriff-Hutchens-Will-Follow-the-Law-on-CCWs.aspx
This is about the only instance where I approve of public disclosure of the names and addresses of discreet carry chit holders. If they're given out as party favors to the well connected or to the famous only, then the public's right to know outweighs any privacy issues. If the law is [if you qualify, the state] shall issue, then in addition to the privacy issue, there's a "network effect" of a anonymous group of people who go around armed.
Heller does not allow "arbitrary and capricious" licensing, that means that unless there is a documented and REASONABLE standard that is applied fairly and across the board as to why a CHL should be denied, then it cannot be. That is why OC's actions are in violation of Heller. The rich and the connected are given CHL/CCW's while those without connections are barred.
Doug - That was the first thing I thought!
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