A Nurse with a Gun

Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Yeller Flags and Coffee

I rarely get pissed off on this blog. Nobody wants to read that, but this story has me fuming. Apparently, a fellow freedom loving American was in a podunk Louisiana one stop light speed trap municipality and was stopped for having a Gadsden flag sticker on his automobile. After a half hour roadside interrogation, the Bubbas with a gun decided the American wasn't a potential home grown terrorist after all.

From Atlas Shrugs and American Vision:
"Our friends at The Patriot Depot just received a call from Rosemarie in Ball, Louisiana alerting Patriot Depot that her brother-in-law was stopped by small town Louisiana police and detained by the roadside for half an hour. A background check was conducted to determine whether he was a member of an "extremist" group. Why? Her brother-in-law (name not disclosed for privacy) had purchased and displayed a conservative "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker on his car."
Now I understand that there are some damned stupid and obedient ticket writers in one red light towns in the Louisiana outback, but what really bothers me is that a person can be detained for a damned yellow bumper sticker with a rattlesnake on it. But they don't act without orders. Apparently someone somewhere higher up the food chain told the cops in a backwater Louisiana town to be on the look out for people with yellow snake stickers on their horseless carriages because they might blow stuff up.

Forget history. Never mind that the US Navy Jack is a very similar design. Lets just be ignorant.
"Yep Bubba, yeller snake flags means Timothy McVey is coming and bringin' that Anton feller with him! They's gonna take our wimmens, steal our Levi Garrett and blow up the bream pond." Monkey muffins! How stupid can you get? Do we have to load a dump truck with intelligence and dump it out in the city square to make these people morons? If I find out what town this was, I'm driving over to have a little wake up call and chat with the mayor over grits and coffee. Mostly coffee.

UPDATE: I'm checking with a friend, who many of you know, that lives three miles from Ball Louisiana. He knows the local police well, on a professional basis. Somehow, this story doesn't sound right to me. I've been through this town. It's a speed trap, but I have a hard time believing a police officer would stop a car for a yellow rattlesnake sticker in an area where Confederate flag stickers are commonplace. This is die hard gun and religion clingin' territory. Something isn't quite right with this story...... Will provide answers as I learn more.......

UPDATE DEUCE: I received a reply to my email inquiry to a friend who lives just outside of Ball Louisiana. He used his professional connections to talk with several Ball officers and other police officers in the area. Apparently, the citizen was stopped legitimately for a traffic violation. The process became drawn out due to his aggressive anti-law enforcement stance. The stop had nothing to do with a Gadsden flag sticker on his vehicle. Even in a traffic fine supported economy of a small town like Ball, that sounds a lot more likely.

The missive:
I did a fairly thorough check on this story, including approaching Ball
and other police officers. All deny emphatically that the DTOM sticker
had anything to do with the traffic stop. Instead, I'm informed that
the driver in question was stopped for a violation (nature unspecified),
and the reason things dragged on for half an hour was because of his
aggressive, anti-law-enforcement, dogmatic rudeness. "He appeared to be
a threat to public safety because of his attitude" was how one cop
expressed it. I've met the type, and I'm sure you have too.

Of course, I can't confirm this information - it's all verbal and
hearsay, etc. - but it does sound rather more likely to me than that a
Cenla cop would stop someone for a DTOM sticker!



Blogger James A. Zachary Jr. said...

Wonder when this will evolve into stopping cars for displaying an American flag ...

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ignornace of the law is no excuse unless you carry a badge.

MOLON LABE is also on the official list of symbols used by enemies of the socialist state. Along with Bob Barr bumper stickers...

5:15 PM  
OpenID reflectoscope said...

I wish I could say this surprises me.


5:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where can I get a yeller snakey sticker?


5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Git yer Yeller Snake stickers here!

5:40 PM  
Blogger Nick Pacific said...

I've had one on my messenger bag that I carry when I'm in Chicago. Ever since the Tea Party I've been self conscious having it there. Since the Napolitano debacle I've been outright nervous. The only reason I don't take it off is it means enough to me I would feel as if I'm betraying every solid principle I hold dear.

But this story, if true, is going to be a major disappointment.

5:40 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

You can go here for stickers, fags and shirts
I get a lot of compliments on my shirt.

5:55 PM  
Blogger JAFO said...

I've ordered 10 each, Gadsden banner stickers AND Molon Labe stickers since this.

Had a few around before. They're going on EVERYTHING now.

7:26 PM  
Anonymous eeky said...

Kevin, I hope you don't mind if I just get the stickers and shirts.


7:46 PM  
Blogger Michael W. said...

Ladies and Gents,

Take a deep breath and let's wait for all the facts to be know. Being a retired cop I find it just a little hard to believe this story as written.

If it DID happen as written, it was no doubt some young pup who took the homeland security propaganda a little too seriously. I would bet his Sargent would have, (if he hasn't already) taken strips off his A** when all is said and done.

There is no way on God green earth that any of the fine men and women who I had the privilege of serving with would have stopped anyone for just a bumper sticker.

Remember that Law Officers are NOT the enemy. Most think pretty much the way that the average American does. There are some exceptions, but for the most part they are few and far between.

7:57 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

This might be partially accurate but I don't believe an officer would stop someone because of a sticker but I believe he might be drawn to ask more questions when someone is displaying ANY type of sticker or flag.

I have been known to be questioned at length for an infidel shirt I wear occasionally and also because I am forthcoming with the fact that I am armed almost all the time and If I don't have my gun(s) on my person they most certainly are in the vehicle with me and simply removed for comfort while driving. Law enforcement is a very stressful job and I don't want to have ANY reason for someone think that I am trying to get a gun when I am reaching for some document that they need from me. I think there is more to the story, whether or not YOU can get it is another point.

Please continue to post whatever you feel like and we will read.. Thanks again..

8:02 PM  
Blogger Diogenes said...

Somehow, this story doesn't sound right to me.I'm with you Xavier - I can tick off a quick five states where this might happen, but Ball, LA??

8:16 PM  
Blogger dropdownstairs said...


8:54 PM  
Blogger Mattexian said...

Whether it's true or not, it still is a good way to get the word out about the flags/stickers and show solidarity against our new and improved BigGov. I've got one of the flags, along with most of Texas' own versions. Need the decal now.

So, where's the part about coffee?

8:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A friend of mine had a bright orange pelican case for his camera equipment. He had to replace it with a less visible black one because he kept being stopped by police and security suspecting it was some terrorist weapon.


12:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing conservative about that sticker. "Conservative" politicians are expanding the government along with the rest of them.

1:04 AM  
Blogger lowly said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=265ITGfB2Oc Well, if you listen to the conversation between the two officers on that you wouldn't find it difficult to believe that a sticker may be considered subversive material.

But the above is just ignorance, whereas the guidance to PDs from the socialists now in power is identifying their opponents as enemies of the state. Shows how important it is to have a good candidate and getting the vote out.

1:28 AM  
Anonymous Shayan said...

Join the club, my conservative friends.

Try getting stopped for FWMEH--that's "Flying With Middle Eastern Heritage." I get crap at airports all the time, even though I was born and raised in VA, a close relative in a certain geometrically-shaped building was almost killed on 9/11, my grampa got a bronze star in WW2, and so on. I've had hour-long interrogations before, so a half hour traffic stop kinda fails to get my goat.

But yeah, a conservative getting pulled over in southern Loozianna is sort of like a liberal getting pulled over in Berkley CA. I doubt a small town cop would do the political bidding of Washington.

But if he did, that is a canary in the mineshaft of 1st Amendment rights!

1:39 AM  
Blogger Vote For David said...

It could be someone looking for attention. It could be a test for the Rightwing Blog Outrage Dissemination Network. It could be true. Please keep us posted.

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Mike Harbour said...


Remember, there's three sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth.

Mike Harbour
Helena, Montana

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy sheeps-it. I done gone and blew up a potato in the microwave. Does that mean I'm a home grown terrorist? Or do I have to blow up a potato that I grew myself?

12:47 PM  
Anonymous Scott said...

For Dave and Michael W., I have to point out it does happen.

Yes, people get stopped for a bumper sticker, or did you miss this?


1:43 PM  
Blogger Rabbit said...

I've had a ML sticker on all the household vehicles for years- fairly smallish, discreet ones, that were printed up by one of the Austin guys on THR. I've got the big red on white ones printed and sold by Life, Liberty, etc., and I guess I'll be sticking one of them on the truck now, too. Order will go out today for a set of Gadsen stickers and a Shooter's Jack or ten, too. Got plenty of places to put them.

Yeah, I'm a dangerous old wheezing cripple, that's for damned sure. I'm rather proud of our Constitution, and I don't care who knows I still defend it.


2:12 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

I'm not selling them, just a customer!

I've had the liberty or death Gadsden shirt since 2004.
I am leery about stickers on the car, just a 7.72 oval and a "Peace through Superior Firepower" discretely in the corners of the rear window - I commute through some deep blue areas and not ready to "instigate" confrontations, yet.

I was planning on redoing the flag pole at my place. Right now I have just Old Glory on a pole attached to the house. Was going to do a three pole setup, with the Flag centered with the POW/MIAA underneath flanked by the Steeler's colors and a Gadsden Now I'm not sure, that Combo would really brand me as a redneck ;)

6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, they won't stop and question any of the dodgy looking guys driving around here with the Mexican, Dominican, etc, flags on their cars...


8:40 PM  
Blogger Vote For David said...

The update sounds much more plausible. Thanks Xavier for doing the digging.

9:46 AM  
Anonymous ChiefMinion said...

First, the only sticker I have on any of my vehicles is a greyhound rescue sticker. I prefer not to attract attention.

Second, I'm generally a big supporter of law enforcement. There are some bad eggs to be sure, but on the whole I've found they are good people making the best of bad situations.

I don't really mind being stopped. It's a very rare thing. That said however, after about 5 minutes, it's time to $hit or get off the pot. Either make an arrest or let me get on with my day.

I think in this case, the "three sides" comment applies. In the absence of video, we can't know what really happened.

Sadly, I think there are some areas where otherwise harmless stickers are going to increasingly cause fishing expeditions. It breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country.

10:09 AM  
Blogger Don said...

Now that we know things only "dragged on for half an hour" because they didn't like his attitude we can rest easy.

It's funny/right/acceptable when this happens to a-holes because we aren't considered one of them...right now.

Let me preface my comment by saying that the men and women in blue are under appreciated and underpaid considering they put their lives on the line to do the job they do. That said, when the power of the state interacts with the public shouldn't simple traffic stops of Mr. Nice-and-Polite take about the same amount of time as for Mr. Aggressive-Anti-Law-Enforcement-Dogmatic-Rudeness?

We call on the police to do an incredibly difficult job and part of the difficulty is not being bated by a-holes who don't toe the line. There are two types of videos that I've seen of traffic stops of belligerent people, ones where the cops ignore the behavior and ones where the cops respond and ratchet up the confrontation. The first is admirable, the latter disturbing.

(I'm just talking generally and not defending whatever happened down in the Bayou since we don't really know all the facts.)

10:41 AM  
Blogger TOTWTYTR said...

Yes Don, in theory both types of stop should take the same amount of time, but they generally don't.

Mr. Nice and Polite is stopped and asked for his license and registration. He hands it over, the officer does whatever it is he has to and both go on their way.

Mr. Attitude is stopped and asked for his license and registration. He then tells the officer that he'll hand them over once the officer explains in detail why he stopped him. After that, any question the officer asks is met with a question in return. Then comes the declaration of rights, followed by the argument about the reason for the stop. Sometimes accompanied by the threats, veiled or otherwise.

Before you know it, half an hour has passed, and Mr. Attitude, now on his way, is calling everyone he knows to complain how the cop stopped him "for no reason at all other than he didn't like my bumper sticker."


6:44 PM  
Blogger Michael W. said...

Hey Scott,

Never said it didn't ever happen.

What I did say is that like any other profession you may have a jerk that does the wrong thing. But for the most part, Law Enforcement people are good folks who try to do the right thing each day they wear the badge.

I learned a long time ago that there is always more than one side to any story, the tough part is waiting to judge until all the facts are known.


4:39 AM  
Blogger CounterClckWise said...

Yes, well. All caveats agreed to. Nevertheless, "threat to public safety" strikes me as a typically donut-eating control-freak thing to say. How exactly was he threatening the public's safety? I refuse to give a speed trap cop the benefit of the doubt on this one.

3:35 AM  
Blogger CounterClckWise said...

Michael W. I disagree. For the most part, law enforcement people are NOT good folks. They are usually undereducated and mindless minions of the prevailing authority. And bad shots, too. Not always, but more often than not.
I see no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

3:58 AM  
Blogger Kirsten said...

I understand that this story might have been stretched, but I know what happened to me. I don't like getting calls about one small purchase that "raised" a flag when we made several large purchases in two days that no one thought twice about. Then I get my card frozen?

1:23 PM  

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