Door Three.......
Three choices:1. Be turned over to the police.
2. Go one-on-one in a fist fight with a seasoned war veteran.
3. Be duct-taped to a flagpole for six hours with a sign around the neck identifying the alleged crime: flag burning.
The man in Valley Falls chose Door Three.
Moral: Don't go to a VFW post to drink their beer and then burn their flag when you can't show proper ID.
The Rensselaer County Sheriffs office confirmed knowledge of the event, but said they were not involved. State Police in Brunswick were contacted, but a trooper said no record of the event could be found.
Hat tip to Rausch.......
posted by Xavier at 4:31 PM
18 Comments:
This is what I'd like to do to the 2 guys that hit me with a full soda can last friday while I was riding my bike home!! Better yet, I'd strap them to a bike and pummel them with soda cans!!
I love your blog, we have a lot in common. I am a cardiovascular researcher, bike commuter and new CCW holder.
I wonder if those VFW folks would have done that if he had burned a nativity scene. Doubtful.
-Sans Authoritas
Sans,
How do YOU know what they'd do, or not?
Why don't you do a little field research? Go there around Christmas, burn a nativity, then stick around and find out. Go ahead. I'll wait. . . . .
B Woodman
SSG (Ret) US Army
III-per
Which prompts me to write out the check for my annual VFW renewal this morning, it's been sitting in the in-basket for a week.
I can see a similar occurrence at Post 1922 here in TX, or maybe worse during Medal of Honor Week in Gainesville.
San Authoritas,
Who knows, I know some Vets that would have done it. But a nativity scene means more to some than it does to others. The Flag likely has a more middle ground for all vets.
At least they were nice enuf to give him a real chair to sit on, instead of making him sit Fairbairn-style "grapevine" with his legs wrapped around the pole and cutting off circulation in the legs! (As seen in Get Tough! and All-in Fighting "methods for securing a prisoner," very familiar to the older vets for the Combatives/hand-to-hand fighting sections.)
If it had been THEIR nativity scene, probably.
This scumbag cut down the flag flying in front of THEIR VFW, which had flown in Iraq and which commemorated a soldier who had died.
I'd say he got off very easy.
Antibubba
Sans Authoritas -
It's doubtful that the "yooth" in question would have burned a nativity scene. Far more trendy to steal the figures and replace them with Barbie dolls or some-such.
Aside from crosses in front lawns, the burning of which has fallen into well-deserved disfavor, the American flag is pretty much the last icon still regarded as fair game for the gasoline and match.
As for the punishment... those veterans gave him three choices.
A) Fisticuffs with one of the veterans, which would have turned out badly for the young fellow no matter who won; it would be just as shameful to beat up a vet as it would be to get trounced by an old man. Not to mention potential assault charges, if the local police were so inclined.
B) Get turned in to the local police for theft, vandalism, and probably arson to boot, which would have lasting legal implications for him as well.
C) The option he took, that of public shaming, a modern version of getting placed in the wooden stocks of old.
Of the three choices, our little flag-burner took the least-damaging option, and I daresay, probably the most lasting one, with regards to dissuasion from future escapades of similar nature.
And as for treating those in similar fashion who desecrate religious icons on private property (or indeed, vandalism of any private property), that is a matter best left to the property owner(s) in question, and to the local law enforcement.
A nativity scence doesn't have the "honor" of being a flag flow in a war zone.
Vetrens can be a picky bunch.
I love it! Justice, pure, simple justice.
PS Love your blog
DUDE.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/6244076/Farmers-daughter-disarms-terrorist-and-shoots-him-dead-with-AK47.html
Is a nativity scene a symbol of an ideal we all belong to?
no?
Didn't think so.
Try to remember that, while distasteful, burning examples of your belief system isn't a crime. Not everyone follows your beliefs, after all.
Sans Authoritas-
The VFW is not a religious organization.
He's lucky they didn't follow the 3 S's.
Shoot, Shovel and shut up.
This happened in NY - imagine that. I am impressed by my fellow New Yorkers - not the flag burner - but the VFW guys. Great piece of work they did to set an example for other would be nitwits who would desecrate our flag.
As for the Nativity scene thing - what in the world does a Nativity scene have to do with this? Then again why would anyone ask such a question that is so far removed from this issue as to be not worth an answer?
All the best,
GB
If you want to buy a flag and burn it on your own property, that is your right. I may be offended but I will defend your right to do so.
If you think that means you can come onto my property and burn my flag, you are making a mistake.
JAFO wrote: "Is a nativity scene a symbol of an ideal we all belong to?
no?
Didn't think so.
Try to remember that, while distasteful, burning examples of your belief system isn't a crime. Not everyone follows your beliefs, after all."
I hope the irony was deliberate on that post.
-Sans Authoritas
@sans
When you mistake your right to hold different beliefs than me for a "right" to burn my personal property you have made a gross misjudement and need to be reminded of the natural order of things.
Scott
Cpl. 1-12IN BN 3rd BCT 4th ID 03-04OIF vet
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